States Filing Petitions for Secession

Uh-oh…

Rash of Petitions to Secede

Ok, really there’s not much tangible to this.  A lot of people made up internet petitions for their states to secede peacefully from the union.    The internet petition is probably the most futile and ineffective form of civil engagement out there I can think of.    Despite my lack of faith in internet petitions, I think there is something to this in that the concept of secession has hit the mainstream (the article is from Yahoo and I’ve seen a few things floating around Facebook) and people are talking about it one way or another, even if it is for the idea’s few moments before folks become distracted by something else.   I’m sure the media is running with this one just to have a shocking headline to grab people in rather than actually believing there’s a ton of substance to it.

I do think it’s funny that I posted The 2012 Election and the Elephant Outside the Room the other day and predicted that we’ll see talk of states splitting up by 2016 and viable state secession movements by the 2020 election and it’s already in the mainstream media.   I’m not suggesting that my article had anything to do with the one in the mainstream media by any stroke of imagination, but I’m just commenting on the fact that it didn’t take long to start having the “s” word thrown around in public discourse.   Again, I think there’s not a lot of substance to the article but I’m surprised by how quickly the subject has hit the mainstream.   Maybe my guesses as far as time frame might come a little sooner?    We’ll see.

I see that the Texas petition has something like 23,000 signatures but they’ve always had something of a secessionist movement down there.   I remember driving into Texas on I-35 and being greeted by a billboard from one of the secessionist groups down there.  I’ve heard of a group in South Carolina that wants to create an evangelical Christian republican down there and naturally there’s still some secessionist attitudes floating around the rest of the southern states.   A few western states have petitions and movements, which isn’t too surprising either.   The Iowa one had about a dozen signatures when I saw it a few hours ago.


 

7 comments

  • Joey Miller

    As long as every state that wants to secede is willing to take with it all its nutty evangelicals, I say good riddance!

  • Ryan

    Based on all of the internet comments I’ve seen about this story, that seems to be a good portion of the country’s opinion on the matter, which helps make the case for secession. Maybe our differences as a country are too great now to pretend that we all like each other and are on the same team?

    I know you didn’t say this, but one common thing I’ve been hearing is something along the lines of “yeah, those inbred hillbilly teabagger rednecks in the south” with something like “don’t they know we’re all Americans and have to work together?” in the next breath. Kind of funny.

  • Michael

    Yes, I agree with Ryan that differences in this country are vast, from religion, political views, federal government guiding personal life choices, taxes, etc. It is more than a passing thought here in Texas. I also think a groundswell will make it happen before 2016.

    • William Dickie

      Our differences have been the strength of our country…sort of a checks and balances if you will. But succession will never ever happen. How will those states that succeed deal worth social security, highway and infrastructure issues, and the forming of a military? What would their foreign policies be? Come on, this talk is spurred on by a black in the oval office and nothing else. The deficit can be managed funny how out wasn’t an issue when George W.was in the White House. Change on people – grow the F up.

  • Ryan

    If you don’t think it could happen, please watch this video of the map of Europe and how it changed over a 1000 years and let me know why we’re different. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzF1No9kk3I

    William, I’m not sure exactly who is behind the petitions right now and there could be some “I’m taking my ball and leaving” behind it this year, but if you want my thoughts on why this will be a trend, read this: http://www.americanoikos.com/2012/11/09/the-2012-election-and-the-elephant-outside-the-room/ The Cliff’s notes version: It’s now more or less impossible for a Republican to win the presidency based on sheer demographics and we’ll see a lot more wagon-circling from the red states once they REALLY figure this out. Also, if you look at the widget over there –> we’re 16 trillion dollars in debt. That’s a shitload of money. In fact, it’s so much it’s almost an abstract number that can never be paid back unless we drastically inflate our currency or go very, very, very austere for a long time. In other words, the many people (myself included) don’t think the future looks very rosy for the United States and some people will probably decide to jump ship when things start getting worse.

    Anyways, Social Security is technically a deal between an individual and the United States government and (I think) individuals are still entitled to something based on what they’ve paid in, regardless of where they are. If secession did happen, I would imagine that the US government would be in such dire straits at that point that they wouldn’t honor it. Veterans benefits are the same – if you’ve earned them, you’ve earned them regardless of where you are. As far as running a social security plan (if they chose to do so), that’s easy.

    Highway? Easy. Most states already have a DOT that does most of that anyways. The system is in place for that.

    Military? The national guard units take an oath to the governor and those assets would form the states’ military.

    Foreign policy? Whatever they wanted it to be. Somehow I doubt that Montana (for example) is going to worry about brokering Middle East peace or maintaining a military presence in the Pacific. This one is easy too.

    The deficit probably could be managed and Bush certainly left something to be desired but I think it’s short-sighted to not look at the total debt and the entire system that’s currently causing these kinds of problems instead of blaming it on one political party or another. I think that’s kind of futile at this point, anyways.

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